Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Should fighting be allowed in the AIHL?

I came across some feedback from recent games that has me in two minds. Firstly, I love everything about hockey. I love the grace and finesse of the game, the speed, stick-handling, shooting and skating. I also love the power of the sport. The checking, grinding, emotion and fighting. All of those elements combined make this the greatest sport in the world. Of course, the AIHL doesn't preach that all of these elements should be involved in the games that can be seen in Australia. So to me, something is missing when I watch these games.



Does fighting belong in the AIHL? AIHL players are not professionals, they don't make a living playing games on weekends. Of course you don't want to get seriously injured and make orphans of their children (to quote Drederick Tatem). But does fighting in hockey lead to more (or less) injuries? With the exception of Don Sanderson, may he rest in peace, there hasn't been a glute of major injuries resulting from hockey fights.

The Pros of hockey fights:
  • It's a time-honoured tradition of the game
  • It fairly settles differences among the players
  • Players agree to follow the "code" so there are no surprises
To take my stand early. I think fighting should be allowed in the AIHL. I also think the rules relating to fights should be revamped. I believe now, if a player is involved in a fight they receive a game misconduct and a possible one-game suspension depending on the type/time of the fight. I think the AIHL should adopt the NHL rule of fighting: 5 Minute Major Penalty for fighting. Now, in the below video, this penalty would suffice for each of these players.


I like this example because it is something pretty straight forward. Two guys, duking it out in the heat of battle. Everything you would expect to see in a hockey game. One offence like this during a gam shouldn't mean that you are kicked out. Honestly, you should be given an opportunity to settle a score or protect other team mates throughout the course of the game. Once the linesmen jump in, both players recognise the fight is over and we all move on. This is part of the "code" that is referred to earlier. A 2nd fighting infraction in a game could lead to suspensions etc, I will leave that open for discussion.

I also think that the fans enjoy a bit of brew-ha-ha between two players. I don't think it's something that EVERY fan WANTS to see... but I will say the majority won't mind seeing it.

Now my points on why fighting shouldn't be allowed in the AIHL could go on and on. I will summarise it down to two points. The league officiating and players following the "code".

The IHA should make its tolerance level of fighting obvious to all new and existing players in the league. Say they (the IHA) were to allow fights with 5 minute penalties, any additional breaches of this rule (i.e. further fights in the game, continuing to fight after the linesmen have entered etc) should result in severe punishment for the player. A 5 game suspension perhaps. Below is an example of what I mean.


This LaChance character is an idiot. He is obviously winning the fight, the other player drops, the linesmen jump in and he continues to throw punches. That is a breach of the code as far as I'm concerned. To make things worse, he takes a shot at a bystanding Ice Dog. 5 game suspension, no question! Actually, make it 6 games because you're a fucking idiot. This type of display is something that I would want to keep out of the AIHL.

Now, if LaChance clearly knew that he would receive a 5 game suspension for his antics, I doubt he would have carried on.

Judging by the fan reactions every time I see a fight, this is clearly something the fans want. :)

Can the AIHL have both? Fighting and not idiotic play?

If we do have both (fighting and idiots) it will likely leed to players doing something like this:

"I smell bacon..."





But to get back on point. I really think we will eventually be able to include fighting in AIHL games. This element of the game is missing and I want it in! I think we are just a couple tweaks of rules and gameplay away from achieving it.

Anyhow, discuss below... this is a topic that I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinions about.

17 comments:

  1. I can find no 5 minute fighting (or "fisticuffs" as it is referred to in section 528 as shown below) in the Internation Ice Hockey Association rules book therefore IHA and the AIHL would need to deviate from the standard international rules. Not impossible but probably unlikely.

    528 - FISTICUFFS OR ROUGHING
    a) A player who intentionally takes off his glove/s in a fight or altercation shall be
    assessed a:
    ➤ Misconduct penalty (10’)
    b) A player who starts fisticuffs shall be assessed a:
    ➤ Match penalty (MP)
    c) A player who, having been struck, retaliates with a blow or attempted blow, shall
    be assessed a:
    ➤ Minor penalty (2’)
    d) Any player or goalkeeper who is the first to intervene in an altercation already in progress,
    shall be assessed in addition to any other penalties incurred in the incident a:
    ➤ Game Misconduct penalty (GM)
    e) If a player, after he has been ordered by the Referee to stop, continues the
    altercation, attempts to continue, or resists a Linesman in the discharge of his
    duties, he shall be assessed, at the discretion of the Referee, a:
    ➤ Double Minor penalty (2’+2’)
    or
    ➤ Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty (5’+GM)
    or
    ➤ Match penalty (MP)
    f) A player or team official who is on or off the ice and is involved in an
    altercation or fisticuffs with a player or team official off the playing surface,
    he shall be assessed, at the discretion of the Referee, a:
    ➤ Misconduct penalty (10’)
    or
    ➤ Game Misconduct penalty (GM)
    or
    ➤ Match penalty (MP)
    g) If a player is deemed guilty of unnecessary roughness, he shall be assessed, at
    the discretion of the Referee, a:
    ➤ Minor penalty (2’)
    or
    ➤ Double Minor penalty (2’+2’)
    or
    ➤ Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty (5’+GM)
    h) A player who grabs or holds the face mask or helmet or pulls the hair of an opponent
    shall be assessed, at the discretion of the Referee, a:
    ➤ Minor penalty (2’)
    or
    ➤ Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty (5’+GM)

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  2. I personally like to watch the skills of the game, The puck handling, shooting, checking, skating passing and play making are what makes a great game. The fights spoil the game for the players and the spectators. I have played for a long time here in Australia and want the game to grow into a sport that is respected throughout the country and can hold its head up high. Some players get frustrated and are unfit so tend to lean on the fight as a saving grace , wake up even your team mates think the fighter is an idiot!!!!

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  3. A sport cannot be taken seriously in Australia unless there is fighting involved (one reason why the cricket team are doing so poorly at the moment and will get battered by the Poms this summer) - you have to let these guys go at it end of story..the AIHL is run by a bunch of pussies - probably Canadians!

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  4. My stance is that fighting is a necessary part of ice hockey at the men’s level. Having said that, I also, in general terms, agree with the IIHF’s fighting rules though they seem a bit confusing…

    Relating specifically to the AIHL – fighting makes people accountable. I believe it limits the cheap shots and in-turn limits the injuries your average player would receive throughout the year.

    I would like to see an AIHL specific rule where imports have a “two strikes and your out” policy. What I mean here is that if an import player receives one major penalty specifically for fighting they are assessed the relevant suspension – if they receive a second they are suspended for the remainder of the season.

    The AIHL is a developmental league for a developing ice hockey country. We need our imports to be as much about growing the sport as they are winning games for their respective teams. Newcastle has been great at this over the last few years with high scoring imports with minimal PIMS. Some of the imports on this year’s scoring table have taken the equivalent of 3 games in PIMS – not what I would like to see from my imports if I was running a team.

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  5. Yo Tyler, are you saying local players can go gung-ho with fighting?

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  6. Anon at 9:04 - You say that you have played the game for a while, I'm not sure at what level, but I would say that the majority of team mates have nothing but respect for the fighters in hockey. I'm talking about the Sheriff types that protect the team, not the goons. I think it's quite far fetched to state that every team mate thinks that anyone who fights is an idiot. If you play in a league where fights aren't necessary (senior C or something), then sure, those fighters are idiots. But in full-contact "elite" leagues, sherrifs are necessary.

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  7. i personally think fighting is one of the most entertaining aspects of the game of hockey. but i also think that there needs to be purpose for it. ie protecting team mates standing up for yourself and if the other guy is Vladan Stransky or Nick Boucher.

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  8. i have to agree that fighting should be allowed for sure. It is part of the game, although hockey is young and developing in australia why should it be played differently here in a league where the level can be quite pro at times. If the league is supposed to be the best league in the southern hemisphere maybe we should look at ALL the rules and adjust them to the rest of the world. I agree that the AIHL is never going to be the NHL but i know leagues that are worse than the AIHL however play under more similar rules to the NHL and other elite leagues.

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  9. It should have happened years ago......its about fuckin time eh...

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  10. When fighting isn't allowed the players take cheap shots behind the play when the ref isn't looking resulting injuries that are far worse than in a "proper, sanctioned and stopped at the appropriate time" fight. A fight also allows the player a chance during the game to take out frustration when another player is taking cheap shots. I'd prefer my hubby have a few bruises and/or a black eye from a fight than have him missing teeth and buggered knees from a "behind the play" cheap shot any day!

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  11. In reply to what level I personally played in , well I participated in The AIHL of the early eighties, (Ice Sports) when we had imports that came in the same as today, only they came in on sports visas.
    I am not looking at squeaky clean here and a good check can be as much a part of the game as a deke or a shot. The fight does not bring the team closer together as 1 comment has said it actually makes the fighter a less important player as he becomes dispensable to the team and a nightmare for the coach. If you want to fight go to the Boxing.!!! Wake up!!!

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  12. you goo look at pro leagues in canada or us or anywhere in the world, they all allow fighting, the AIHL,is tring to get the best out of there leauge, so fighting to be alloud would be great its more insprition for the game and for the players and most of all for the croud, not allowing to fight in the AIHL, is honestly pathitic

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